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Escalante Fremont Review

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by Josh Ray on April 21 '06

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Someone mentioned to me that we should get rid of the "I loved 'em so much I bought 'em" review. The idea is the bar is set too high and reviewer purchasing becomes the new standard over, oh, good sound.

In any case, a Stereo Times reviewer purchased the new $14,990 Escalante Design Fremont and gets the mad love on. Escalante is the pride and joy of Tierry Budge, a man whose credits include stints at some of the most controversial audio houses out there, namely Wilson and Talon (website down). If you have, you know, a life and don't slum in the audio forums, you wouldn't know that Wilson and Talon elicit screaming matches between hard core audiophiles. If the Fremont continues to gain press, it will surely cause some verbal sumo as well.

Now, what peaks much curiosity about the Fremont is the fact that it's a two way speaker using double piggyback 12" woofers for 18Hz to 50kHz at 93dB sensitivity. I don't know of any other don't-call-it-a-bookshelf with stats like that. The interesting part is the dust cap on the 12" acts as a 3" midrange. Other speaker companies use this quasi-midrange (like ATC) for good effect, but it's unique, as far as I know, in a 12" woofer.

A huge tech claim surely to stir the hornet's nest is the claim of 70uS "rise time" for the 12" woofers. To put this into English, rise time is how fast the woofer gets its game on. The Fremont's woofer is claimed to be faster than a 5" driver's 800-1000uS (like golf, lower is better). The idea is if your driver is slushing back and forth, then you get smear, the "attack" isn't as powerful, etc. Basically, your speaker goes to 11. While a lot of manufacturers tout High Excursion, we're seeing a trend from Escalante and others to push Low Excursion as the bee's knees.

Interestingly, Escalante has received some press in green online magazines for their use of bamboo and environmentally friendly manufacturing. Good to see one angle for non-audio traffic, even if language like "high excursion", "rise time" and "bass" confuses the heck out of normies.

Also, check out Greg Weaver's awesome Vegas coverage for more glowing comments and tech details about this wild design. He has a review in the works and if his initial impressions are any indication, expect another reviewer purchase.

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Wow! I want to hear these! They are pretty cool.
I could buy a nice car for the price of two wooden boxes
cars suck - they use expensive gas, insurance, maintenance, parking - and you certainly can't relax and close your eyes when using one.
Why, pray tell, are there screaming matches between Wilson and Talon devotees?
Hey Rods84, The screaming matches aren't between Wilson and Talon devotees, but between them and the Wilson/talon detractors. In fact, some people have made a career out of slamming Wilson for shoddy manufacturing, voodoo engineering and cheap parts. Whether you believe it or not, Wilson is the most controversial company out there. Plus, they're the most successful super-premium speaker maker, which instantly makes them a target for haters. As for Talon, when they exploded onto the scene a few years ago, they started the ceramic (Accuton) driver trend and polarized the industry. When you bring up Talon in a group of audiophiles, no one ever says "they're fine/okay/good." It's either "they're the best ever" or "they're rubbish."
Thanks for the clarification, Josh. ... I don't know, maybe it's me, but dealing with this stuff for decades has always been fun and not fodder for debate. And believe me, I'm not the shrinking violet type -- I just save that for politics and religion. P.S.: You're doing a fine job of summarizing what the many sites have to offer. Keep up the good work.
Josh, have you or anyone you know auditioned/heard any of the Wilson speakers? What characterizes them? What's all the fuss about?
I haven't spent any quality time with the Wilsons, but I will say I like some Talons I've heard. I've also heard many contradictory things about the Wilsons and, in truth, each model is so different than the last (from what I'm told), it's hard to peg Wilson's sound. For example, the Watt/Puppy is version 7, with models 1-6 each being entirely different. Once again, that's the word on the street, not personal experience. Version 8 could be a wild departure, who knows. Their new Duette speaker is interesting... As for the "fuss," many believe it's just hype, though that's up for debate. There are lots of rumors floating around with most being fairly negative, but hard to say what is true and what really matters. Wilson is also known for holding shootouts against B&W speakers, which some believe are overhyped to begin with. In any case, Wilson is the top dog speaker company and any speaker in the $20k+ price range is always compared against Wilson as the standard. And, really, it's like everything in this biz -- it's all personal taste.
Well, imagine my surprise at seeing a photo that I took, own and that is copy written, appearing without even so much as a credit to the photographer/publisher on your site! Beyond that blatant infringement, which I assume you will CORRECT IMMEDIATLY, I will settle the curiosity. I have bought my Fremonts...the very same ones in BMW Indianapolis Red that you saw at the St. Tropez in T.H.E. Show. Quite honestly, after having stayed in the VSA/VSR camp for nearly a decade, I finally heard something that made me take a leap up… I’ve heard many, many speaker systems that were more expensive than the VR-4 Gen IIISEs, but nothing that was ever so clearly better that I was willing to pony up and pay. And while the VR-9SEs are spectacular, I simply can’t afford $60,000 for a pair of speakers. Hell, my Mercedes was $52,000 new, fer chris’ sake! But, in the Escalante Designs Fremont, at $15k, I have had a vision of immense proportion. I am working on the review now… You may see more photos of them in my system - http://www.theaudioanalyst.com , then click on the “system” navigation button - or at http://www.escalantedesigns.com. They are based on a seemingly unique patent by Tierry Budge. More to come soon…but they are, in a word, breathtaking. Watch for my upcoming full review at PFO...
Hey Greg, I did, in fact, use correct internet procedure. Here's what I wrote: Also, check out Greg Weaver's awesome Vegas coverage for more glowing comments and tech details about this wild design. He has a review in the works and if his initial impressions are any indication, expect another reviewer purchase. A link is not only adequate for copyright laws, but it's also preferred over the antiquated "photo courtesy of..." since it sends traffic back to the source.
Meanwhile, lemme do a review of the illegally infringed photo in question. The detail, presence and countenance deflection exhibited by this photo really floored me. I usually expect convention photos of this caliber to cost $3 and I was astonished to learn that it was only $2.79. Great job, Greg; thank you very much for the convention coverage. :)
Josh, In your last post on the Fremont you mentioned - "Escalante goes for the big 12" and then adds ANOTHER 12" right behind it. It's called "isobaric" which is latin for "insane bass." This isn't just another Isobaric design after all, as here's the Meat & Potatoes on the whole Direct-Coupling patented design technology right form the Escalante website. http://www.escalantedesigns.com/viewer/home/direct_coupling.asd
"Tierry Budge and Matt Waldron flanking the breathtaking Escalante Designs Fremont" Isn't Tierry Budge to the right of the speaker? Let's hope Tierry doesn't sue Greg for convention photo mis-personation. :D http://www.stereotimes.com/speak042106.shtm
Hello Anonymous, Anonymous, eh? Hummm. What it that? Oh yes, it is Latin for “I’m afraid of being accountable for what I say”, especially when you are so far off the mark. ;-D Honestly, I'm kind of surprised that you wrote what you did – particularly if you ACTUALLY read the link you included... To say that Tierry's Direct-Coupling is "just another Isobaric design after all," is about as realistic as saying that the Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird was “just another airplane after all,” when it was delivered into service in 1964! The link you provide from the Escalante web site gives you a good handle on the results of the patented loading, if no real clue as to the particulars. Folks, I’ve built MANY Isobaric systems over the years. Hell, I have a pair of twelve’s in a compound, push-pull load in the trunk of my Mercedes driven by a 600 watt Precision Power amp. I’m here to tell you this isn’t your father’s “compound loading.” The patent is viewable at http://www.patentstorm.us/inventors/Tierry_R__Budge-1348383.html. And for the history buff, if I’m not mistaken, the scientific term Isobaric was first pressed into the audiophile lexicon by Linn to describe the twin woofer system used for the Sara speaker back in the early 1980’s. Please, I would ask you to listen to them before you try to make any judgment. In the end, I think that is all that Tierry and Matt would ask as well…
Wow! I guess you don't know Tierry Budge to see him. He is on the left, with Matt Waldron on the right, just like it says... Or perhaps you don't know left from right? What if we used port and starboard instead? ;-d
Henry, Greg has it right as if you look at the StereoTimes link you posted it shows ED's Matt standing next to ST's Clement Perry holding a 2005 Most Wanted Component Award.
Escalante tech is really interesting, as I've said all along. I'm kicking myself for missing them at CES -- last time I wander around like a drunken fool. As for direct coupling versus plain vanilla isobaric, I'm not techie enough to understand the details. For the SF readership, all they need to know is this thing hits 18Hz like a race car. In any case, can someone explain the tweeter? It's the Scan Speak Revelator, but what's up with the short horn and the starfish surround? Also, if I may make a friendly request, please turn off or turn down the sound effects on the Escalante site. My comp system was juiced up and I nearly had a heart attack when I went there. Plus, in just general navigating, hearing the sound gets tiresome when looking at multiple pages. I assume Escalante will be at HE2006?
Yeah, sorry Greg, this was really idiotic on my part. You are definitely safe from a lawsuit. However, I wonder why would anyone do a review on a speaker and place a photo of Budge's business associate and Fremont's *stand* designer? :)
Anonymous is Latin for Lazy, but at least I know my right from left. Thanks for the patent link, which I just printed. Gosh it reads like War & Peace, or a Code-Breaking exercise to decipher. I guess thats why ED's slogan is ...Come Listen!
I have to assume (yes, we all know what THAT gets me...) that the felt "star fish" you are referring to, at the mouth of the very shallow waveguide, is to aid in diffraction control and dispersion...
How can you say that, Ray? I was really impressed that the first time in my life a speaker company's web site actually had music. Isn't it kinda appropriate? I enjoyed it.
Stand designer! If you think that is all Matt has contributed to Escalante Designs, you had best do some more research... Man, that was low!
Greg, that's what Dave Thomas's review says, that Matt is Tierry's business partner and speaker stand designer... What was his real contribution?
Ah, it's felt. Interesting shape. Nothing wrong with stand/rack designers, btw. Look at Grand Prix, after all. Rack designer turned crazy TT manufacturer. More tech in one of those racks than in some speakers. As for music, I loath sound in any web site, but that's a personal preference. As everyone knows, I'm big into USB audio. I'm rarely on my computer without cranking the tunes. Music or, in Escalante's case, trippy sound effects just ruin my "critical listening sessions."
Hello Mr. Weaver, Since your actively in this discussion could I ask you to clarify your prior post? If the VR-9SEs at $60k are Spectacular, & the Fremont's at $15k Breathtaking. How do the 2 compare? I read that your colleague Mike L. sold his $130K Kharmas, for the powered sub version VR-9SEs due to his room size. How big is your room room, I looked at your system put missed the dimensions. As $60k ain't going to pass the WAF! Thanks J.P.
Sorry! You'll have to wait for the review. And as to my room size, everything is there -- even a Visio room diagram at the bottom of the "system" page...
Sorry, I had a very busy evening last night and couldn’t check in on this thread… To answer Henry’s question about Matt Waldron’s real role, besides seeking out Tierry to work with, then providing the start-up capital, he is the President of Escalate Design. As well as handling all the daily business operation and production duties, he is the cabinet designer and fabricator. Calling him a “stand designer” was just uninformed and, to my way of thinking, way harsh!
Whats up with Talon Audio NOW (website STILL down) since Thierry has left?
Well, my full review has finally posted. Please see http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue26/escalante_fremont.htm. Enjoy.